So much for Better together
to secure your place in the European Union.
Personally I'm no huge fan of E.U. But I feel we must be in it to some extent.
Preferably in the Single Market or at the very least the Customs Union..
But that's not what England thinks or at least the right wing zealots and the people they have mis informed who hold sway in the current Brexit debate.
I was telling everyone that Cameron had to get something on immigration from Brussels or England would drag us out of the E.U.
In many parts of England the English feel overwhelmed by Johnny Foreigner and they don't like it.
Never mind the pros and cons of the debate. They don't like it. End of story.
Speaking to normal nice sensible English people during Brexit I would ask them for a reason to leave the E.U. other than immigration and they would say I don't need another reason, to which I replied after Brexit there would be very little change on immigration as it is the British establishment that want immigration. Of course they looked at me as if I was daft.
Day after Brexit, Gov ministers announce that of course we will still have immigration as the economy needs it. But now we can control it. We could not do that as a member of E.U.
HUNGARY PUT FENCES UP TO STOP ALL MIGRANTS ENTERING THEIR COUNTRY
Compared to the UK a small poor country with very little influence can control their borders within the E.U. but the mighty UK can't ??? Political will ???
That was the main reason, but the following contributed.
Every time a voter complained about something in the last 40 yrs Gov said it's not us it's Brussels.
THE ENGLISH UPPER CLASSES USED TO RULE THE WORLD
Now the French (100yrs war) and the Germans are telling them what to do, not something the English establishment can stomach. The only union that suits them is the British union. They can ignore everyone else and do as they please.
PROJECT FEAR (Backlash against it)
It worked well in Scotland during Indy Ref because compared to England, Scotland is a country full of fear.
The average English person has a high opinion of their country. Even those in dire straits have a faith in England that is not easily dented.
There was a backlash against Project Fear.
CONTROL OF MEDIA BY "OLD MONEY"
New money people, need to trade tariff free.
Old money has other means.
IN 3 to 4 YEARS TIME THE E.U. IS INTRODUCING IT'S STRICTEST EVER MONEY LAUNDERING REGULATIONS
THIS WILL WIPE OUT A SERIOUS PERCENTAGE OF LONDONS DODGY BUSINESS DEALINGS
London has the most lenient laws of any major financial centre in the world. In all the big frauds, no matter where they happen the money goes through London. i.e. Bernie Maddof in USA, Mexican drug money. London's the place.
U.K CURRENTLY HAS A GREAT DEAL IN E.U.
When all the rebates are taken into account it costs us £9b out of our £600b economy to have free trade in the richest
market in the world.
Been moaning for years and are exempt from many regs that the rest have to comply with.
Boris says we don't want Brussels being in charge of spending our money (rebate) which they send directly to U.K. regions according to need ie rural, deprived etc etc.
SCOTLAND CURRENTLY GETS
£2b of this money direct from Brussels. How much do you think we will get if Boris and his like are in charge of it? Already suffering from austerity, what happens when Boris and Co decide £1Billion or so of that rebate doesn't need to go north of the border. Then add the damage to trade by Brexit itself.
WHAT KIND OF BREXIT DEAL WILL BE ACHIEVED?
A deal which on our side is been brokered by the English upper classes who have simply adopted their usual superior tone and are expecting E.U to dance to their tune.
Whatever, deal or no deal, we will be significantly worse off. Scotland suffering to a greater degree than most of the rest of U.K.
Unfortunately Brexit has enabled a right wing take over of the Tory Party. Cameron and Osbourne pretended to be One Nation Conservatives. But there was no trickle down economics with them. Austerity for most while the very few got super wealthy. Now they are being replaced by something much worse. May looks moderate next to Boris, Gove, Fox, Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith, Dominic Rabb and company.
CHECK OUT WHAT EX PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR THINKS THE CHANCES ARE OF THE NHS SURVIVING A RIGHT WING BREXIT
WE CAN TRADE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Sounds like the rest of the world currently doesn't have any suppliers or customers and are desperate to deal with us.
Plenty would buy and sell from us but on what terms?
E.U. Has some of the best trade deals ever done. (That's why Trump hates it).
E.U on top of the 27 other member countries, has trade deals with another 50 countries.
So we are going to walk away from trade agreements with 77 countries without this having a major effect on our lives.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCE'S OF A CHANGE OF DIRECTION IN WESTMINSTER POLITICS ???
Both UK major political parties are ravished by infighting over E.U. and a serious percentage of their voters are the same.
Tories in the control of right wing zealots.
Labour totally controlled by Momentum who are too busy navel gazing to realise that Labour cannot win in England unless they attract disgruntled Tory voters. The sort who will never vote for Corbyn. The next Labour leader will also be chosen by a Momentum dominated party, who will think one more push and again elect a leader very few ex Tories would vote for.
Speaking to many English Brexiteers. They will never change their minds. Say that if they don't get a proper
Brexit in March they will never vote Labour or Tory again.
Always said Westminster would be better with a 3 party system.
Unfortunately it's going to be UKIP mark 2.
This will go on for years.
NO HOPE. TIME TO GET OUT
WOULD THE E.U ACCEPT SCOTLAND AS A MEMBER
If we choose TO JOIN the E.U. we would be accepted.
If we choose NOT TO JOIN but do a trade deal similar to Norway, Iceland, Switzerland we would be accepted.
Largest oil producer.
Largest fishing territory.
Economy the same size as Portugal with only half the population.
Similar GDP to France.
Contrary to what we are led to believe Scotland is a wealthy prosperous country.
AT THE VERY LEAST WE WOULD GET A VERY GOOD TRADE DEAL
Iceland, Norway, Switzerland have never been in the E.U. But have a trade agreement.
It's not credible to suggest the people of Scotland who have been members for 40 yrs and whose regulations fully comply would be treated worse than Iceland.
IT'S OK TO CHANGE YOUR MIND